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hiralal
06-04 09:19 PM
now that we have 13 pages of discussion ..can we agree on something and start small campaigns atleast ???
that way we can generate more interest in IV.

we can do something indirect too ..such as contacting your realtors ..show interest in buying and then back off ..the advantage in this (if large number of people take part and each contact 4-5 realtors) ..then we will have someone else lobbying for us (rather than ourselves beating our own drum)

if someone has better idea then we can go for that too
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krishna.ahd
02-18 08:38 PM
When the cap is revised, I agree that 'the increase in net population' is one parameter in decision...
But that should not be the determining dominant parameter....

The dominant parameter should be the change in the US demographics and the needs of the US economy...Millions of baby boomers are gonna start retiring soon....The cap has to increase keeping that in mind....

The projections of manpower deficit due to demographic shift are in millions......

If you want to maintain the same standard of living, you have absolutely no option but to import more skilled labor....and lots of it.....


America is barely producing babies at replacement levels and between 2011 to 2032 ...... 77 million baby boomers( people born between 1946 to 1964) would need to retire or phase out involvement in active labor force....
http://www.teamncpa.org/main/news.php?ItemsID=165

Doggone illegal mexicans would not take care of your high end requirements ... That is just fact of life...Now you tell me how much the EB cap should be .....


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As per the facts first baby boomers will start collecting benefits in 2008 and by 2020 when most boomers are 60+ there will be 2.6 workers paying social security and medicare for every retiree versus 5 workers now

Is there anybody looking at this angle for increasing GC cap/upper limit ??
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aroranuj
09-23 01:33 PM
I am already a HOMEOWNER but I think this bill is good for all as those who buy new homes move out of the line & we move quicker. Congress works in strange ways & if the core thinks this is the best way to get around it & including current homeowners will be a dealbreaker I am for it....Lets support what we can get.

I emailed half the people on the list & will email the other half in the next couple of hours...

IV CORE: THANK YOU for thinking for every single possible way of getting us out of this rut...you have my full support!!!:)
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singhsa3
03-02 08:40 PM
Belling the Cat
Long ago, the mice (folks on this forum) held a general council to consider what measures they could take to outwit their common enemy, the cat (read USCIS). Some said this, and some said that; but at last a young mouse got up and said he had a proposal to make, which he though would meet the case.
"You will all agree," said he, "that our chief danger consists in the sly and treacherous manner in which the enemy approaches us. Now, if we could receive some signal of her approach, we could easily escape from her. I venture, therefore, to propose that a small bell be procured, and attached by a ribbon round the neck of the cat (read lawsuit to be filled against USCIS) . By this means we should always know when she was about, and could easily retire while she was in the neighborhood."
This proposal met with general applause, until an old mouse got up and said, "That is all very well, but who is to bell the cat?"
The mice looked at one another and nobody spoke. Then the old mouse said, "It is easy to propose difficult remedies."
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santa123
07-25 01:34 PM
A question about the FB spillover: according to your data, there are about 30000 FB visa spillover from last year. But does USCIS have to use up all of them? If the answer is yes, then the September VB will very likely be current. If the USCIS only need to use up the 147000 EB and use whatever portion of the FB spillover, then September VB may not move.

Though I appreciate all the analysis and the hardwork by several folks here to get to the numbers, I am thinking that we should not get carried away and set high expectations for ourselves and others. Your confidence levels are very high, but remember there are some assumptions in the calculations and we are dealing with govt agencies... just wanted all EB2s to hope for the best and prepare for the best...
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diptam
02-13 09:05 AM
Nothing to demean you Hopeful GC or any particular individual but this so called community that we are dealing with has none of the above characteristics to go for a CA Lawsuit... The coward and sleeping community wants everyone else to do or facilitate things for themselves. I had first hand experience during SEP 18th rally about the spines , guts , nerves and overall heart of this community when i approached educated ,well-informed ,highskilled peoples for attending the rally and what reply i got. Some of them even had the audacity to call up my family and tell bad things about me ( just because i requested them to wake up for a Rally for THEMSELVES )

CA Lawsuit with Cowards , selfish , heartless - never ever possible...:mad: But i appreciate and support your idea on a Personal level and willing to put a money contribution if the lawyer finds a prospective ground of but we have to bite and swallow the hard reality , you know :(

Clear up your mind for a little while and consider this:
The whole working world lives by on one simple rule ..... GETTING PEOPLE OFF YOUR BACK. The bigger PITA (pain-in-the-ass) you are... the higher is the priority you get ..........

USCIS says EBs are retrogressed because there are XXXXX people in the queue. Why is the queue so long? Because they wasted numbers in the past and kept the queue long. This is pure operational inefficiency that is resulting in monetary, emotional and mental loss to about a million people.
This is a valid ground for a class action lawsuit.

By filing this suit, we will become the "cactii in the colon" that they will have to address. And you know what the easy out of court settlement will be..... RECAPTURE! We will keep lobbying and crying as we usually do.. But this thing has a far better shot than anything else.
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saileshdude
05-29 09:26 AM
As far as i can tell, the main issue is that there are not enough visas for Indian applicants. The possible EB1 misuse is a sideshow.

Currently, the EB2-I wait time is 20+ years. Even if there are no EB1 applications the wait time would reduce to 10+ years. EB3-I wait time is probably more than the life span of most individuals.

It is major contributing factor to Eb2 and eventually EB3 retrogression. And something needs to be done to make sure that so called project managers from these IT firms from India are not able to apply in this category.
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dilipcr
06-16 02:22 PM
Guys,

Please stop responding to Dilip. He is feeding of our frustrations. If he was still retrogressed he would be singing a different tune but never mind. Every response we give him makes him feel pleasure at our plight. To tell you the truth our plight is not bad. We just like to think it is. We have AC21 option. Remember when you could not file I485 how much you coveted that one option. If the employer withdraws I-140 and we have to file MTR so be it. People come out of it unscathed. It is still a low probability event. Take the bull by the horns and you will come out stronger. Even when you get your GC life's problems will not go away. We still have to fight for a better job, better pay, better quality of living and then we will not have the excuses we have now (Thats how Dilips of the USA are made).

So lets take pride in ourself, use our options wisely and ignore people like Dilip. He is just pampering him shattered pride by telling himself we cannot get the salary he wants due to H1b , outsourcing .... . He is not worth it.

I dont care if you consider me a guy taking pleasure in your plight. Remember I dont get anything out of it. I truly like your attitude to take the bull by the horns and the resolve to come out even stronger. That is the attitude that would take you a long way. Trust me and all the best.
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andy007
07-03 10:18 PM
Hi Guys,

Can you please post Media Links on this issue .. (CNN, ... etc) Thanks
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gdilla
07-11 01:51 PM
And don't forget 9month maternity leaves, and if you're unemployed, you still get healthcare, and the generally better public education, not to mention generally cheaper and excellent post-secondary education....

Every time I hear "Canadian taxes are so much higher", I respond back with "really ? how much are you paying a month for health insurance?". I suggest a typical breadwinner with spouse + 2 dependents is probably paying $500 / mo + in health insurance premiums. Add that $6K / yr to your US tax bill, then compare it to your Canadian tax bill. ;)

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Kushal
07-27 03:20 PM
If you are making lot of money "more than $115". Please donate it to IV.

I have been donating more money to IV over 4 years then you do, and will keep on doing. Do you?
There are lot of action items to meeting lawmakers. Why don't get your focus on that?
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ksvreg
09-24 12:08 PM
Good Question though!

Worried that the data provided is inaccurate. If they provide accurate data (+/- 10%), follow the rules, then we can wait for our dates to turn in for years. But they always do math differently than any one else and move the visa bulletin dates which no one can understand how that was calculated.
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chi_shark
10-28 03:06 PM
i am curious... if someone leaves a comment with a red or a green dot, how do i get to see the comment?

Some moron gave me a Red for my post below with the comment ".."

Seriously dude, if you are so naive as to think that ROW folks are just going sit around and watch EB2 India consume the spillover numbers, then get your head examined or stop smoking that pipe. Have you ever wondered how low the participation is from ROW applicants on these forums? This is simply because for the most part its become a desi forum mostly dominated by EB2 folks.

Or you can give me another red and stick your head back in the sand (...or in those clouds, whatever the case may be)
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nixstor
09-23 01:29 AM
As completely unrelated these two issues are (from a law maker's perspective) on a normal day, these are possibly those times when each of these issues can help the other.

IV has been discussing about the possibility of one for two solution (partial). The idea is to request congress to exempt EB applicants & their dependents from numerical limits of the Immigrant visas, if they buy a home. It is my belief that market sentiment is the most important thing in any financial market(s) and the housing prospects look pretty bleak. There are lot of members in the EB community that have NOT bought their own home, even though they could afford one because of the uncertainty with EB GC. IV's idea is to bridge the financial committees and judiciary committees in the House/Senate and see if corresponding Chairman/Ranking members are willing to listen. Things are moving so fast with the 700bn USD bail out plan and we will NOT have time to do things the normal way, through our counsel. We have to present this idea to the corresponding staff members of key members of congress (see list below) and see if this gets traction now or going forward.

Please do not bring EB-5 discussion/comparison here. The proposed partial solution is different from EB-5 in that EB-5 investors invest money and we are investing in our future with a genuine intention of making USA our permanent home.


If you already have a home, thats fine. Any such legislation will reduce the wait times in EB categories and we need housing markets to rebound for a safer economy before the ripple effects are felt every where.

Who to write to

Staff members(Chief of Staff, Legislative LA, Financial LA, Legislative Director) of Chairman/Ranking members of House/Senate Judiciary committee & Finance/Banking committee, Staff members of your representative and your senators. Please find staff members of the committees in the spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pptN-jEpAiyd3snslhPjBfw).

You can find your representative & senator staff members on this website (http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html).

Please use valid email addresses and NOT fictitious/junk mail. It undermines the whole purpose and our emails will be flagged by mail scanners / spam checkers as some thing similar to famous Nigeria bank account scams.


Email Subject: Proposal to alleviate current US Housing/economic crisis

Content/Message

SUMMARY

This proposal alleviates the current US economic crisis, by motivating the US high skilled, legal immigrant workers to purchase homes. The size of this immigrant population is approximately 800,000 individuals. This effort if successful would inject up to US$ 20Billion approximately into the economy (approximately US$ 100 Billion in houses sold across the country) , while at the same time directing this money into the root cause of the economic crisis – the illiquidity of the national housing market. The above calculation is done
assuming a median US home price of $212,400 and buyers making a down-payment of 20% of the cost of the home. Roughly estimating 400,000 buyers.

BACKGROUND

Undoubtedly, we are all devastated by the shake up on Wall Street in the past 15 days. Experts agree that the underpinning problem is the housing crisis caused by sub-prime mortgage loans. Many of us, who cannot afford our monthly mortgage payments are losing homes and putting them up for sale and foreclosure, which further adds to the crisis. At the same time, most of the Employment-based (EB) immigrant community would like to purchase homes and make the United States a permanent home for their families. These EB immigrants however, are living in a state of limbo, mostly in rental apartments because of the delays and uncertainties involved with the EB immigration procedure. The wait times in EB categories are exacerbated by the delays in processing by USCIS, even though eligible applicants have filed for Permanent Residency also known as Adjustment of Status. Such processing delays have resulted in the wastage of 218,000 immigrant visa numbers (Page 52 of USCIS Ombudsman Annual report 2007). The current Department of State visa bulletin shows 7+ years of wait times in certain categories. We strongly believe that legislation can be worked out in such a way that the housing markets all over the country can move towards recovery, while at the same time motivating the Green Card applicants to catalyze this recovery.

It should be noted that this proposal by no means brings more immigrant workers into the US. The workers in the EB, skilled category are already present in the US, doing skilled jobs that no US worker is available to do. They are part of the long queue of backlogged cases that USICIS will eventually process; however, this wait can take years and in that case could not be used as a tool to minimize the course of the current economic crisis.

SOLUTION

Congress can pass legislation that exempts EB green card applicants and their dependents from the numerical limits of visa numbers, provided applicant(s) have bought a home making 20% down payment on the sale price of the home, for a time period deemed necessary by the congress.


How can Employment based Immigrants help alleviate the housing problem?

(1) Employment based immigrants are highly skilled and are employed in occupations such as Software, IT, Health care, Energy, Finance, Education and Research & Development across the United States.

(2) Average income of these individuals/households is around 65,000/130,000 USD.

(3) All these Employment based immigrants have gone through Department of Labor’s recruiting process, which certifies that there is no willing, able and qualified US Citizen to do the job.

(4) Most of the Employment based immigrants have excellent credit history and good source of income to make the payments needed for their home mortgage.

(5) By requiring a 20% down payment from this group of buyers, Congress can directly channel this money to where it is need most – at the banks.

(6) Employment based green card applicants have been living in the United States for 6-8 years. Many of them have US graduate degrees in their fields of expertise. These applicants are well versed with the American culture and will not change the cultural landscape.

(7) Financial burden on US government and treasury will be reduced drastically if the glut of houses in the market decreases.


As a member of the community that wants to make the US its permanent home, I want to contribute to a solution that helps USA and US during these tough times. I sincerely believe that the 30 year commitment on mortgages by Employment based immigrants in the housing market, backed by solid, risk free mortgages can turn the down ward spiral in the housing market into a upward spiral.

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dan19
08-30 04:58 PM
I am doing my Canadian Immigration myself.

It is fairly a simple and straightforward process. So my advice is "Do it yourself". Immigration lawyers do normally charge more that $1000 and make mistakes.

Since it takes around 1.5 years for the entire process to complete, send the application as soon as possible. Dont wait for gathering all the document! That will ensure that you get a early priority date. If more documents are needed, they will ask you. (Most people sent English Proficiency and Police Certificates after submitting the application, though they are required to be part of the initial application)

I can describe the procedure:

1. Calculate your points based on the information on Canada Immigration website. If it is more that 67, you are good.

2. To prove English proficiency, take IELTS test. You need to register for the test as soon as possible since some centers are always full. (Some of my friends who studied in USA skipped IELTS - rather they wrote a letter stating that they are proficient in English as they studied/worked in USA)

3. Make sure you have the required funds. It's around $13,000 for a 2 member family. (Again check the Canadian Immigration website for accurate info)

4. Get experience letters if you are claiming experience.

5. Get Birth Certificates and Police Certificates. If you are an Indian, the link you need to look for is http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/misc_guide.asp

6. Though they do ask you to send US FBI Police Certificates, do it later. (They will ask you for updated FBI Police Certificates evenif you submit it earlier)

7. Fill the forms, attach the documents and send it!!!!


Visit http://www.canada-city.ca/canada-immigration/ or
http://www.immigration.ca/discussion/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4 for further discussions.


Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
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samay
07-21 08:30 PM
My dependents are out of US for almost 5 months for now and they have AP approved before they left US and they are planning to come to US in couple of weeks from now on AP. Our PD is going to be current in Aug08. Is this OK to be out of US for this much time when AOS is pending? Staying out of US for this long would effect their AOS processing in any way?

Its fine so long as they are back before their AP expires.
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OLDMONK
07-24 05:41 PM
Agree with few points in your argument though overall it went little overboard. Whisky Line??? Are you implying there are no lines in US? Ever heard about GC Line???????:))))))I havent waited for 5 to 7 yrs in India for anything and not got it. Maximum I waited would be Tirupati temple for 12-14 hrs:)

I am only implying convenience is a big factor in deciding your future and your children future and where would you like to concentrate your energy/passion for the rest of your life.

I wouldnt mind waiting in Tirupathi line or waiting in line at Jai Mata di temple, for that the choice is mine. I am talking about lines which I have to get to or have my bahadur/driver/employee if I am in business do it for me.

Of course it sounds overboard but you wont believe the kind of lines (specially the close times) where state government dispenses alcohol. (new delhi is one of those).

BTW I forgot the Movie Ticket Window line (also the black line by the cycle stand LOL). I am sure I forgot a lot of other lines. The Key is Convenience for me.

Anyway don't take it too literally but I will give you a real example. I could never pay my electric bill for a commerical place even if I wanted to. There is a middle man. If you don't go through these middle men they will hassle you every month. Will come up with something so they can threaten you with a disconnection. Now at a business place and specially in service oriented business you cant fight them. For house electric bills thats not case though.

Same for sales tax guys, excise tax guys, ca's and lawyers. To get my IT clearance even after having every paperwork, commissioner (IAS) tip was Rs. 1000. forget babus and chaprasis.

As for your GC comments that is not the right comparision, as we don't require a GC in India. The closest would be Passport line (3 months to 2 years) and you have to bribe the enquiry man no matter what, and which state. HDFC Draft Line, Visa Line (after 40-100 days wait), Wrong passport picture run get new and go back to line. Not mentioning H1B sponsoring employer line.

:-) and I am not saying I am 100% right. You may come from a fortunate/honest town/village where there is still honesty and sincerity or Maybe one didn't face it as someone in their family was a bigwig, meaning every one knew (fiction) Anirudh is son of Income Tax Commissioner or Malaika is daughter of H P Dwivedi who is MP from Rohtak, Haryana. so for those guys it was sir, sir, sir all around.

but when Sachin hits a century or sets a world record.. Mera Bharat Mahaan. (India is great) Right? Sanya anyone? Right?
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07-29 05:50 PM
Any other funny stories.

Seems like you are having lot of fun reading this thread!! You should pay some sort of entertainment tax to IV for this. :D :D
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desi3933
06-16 02:53 PM
Dilip -

Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?

I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.

You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.

I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.

Have a good day!



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1. If the outsourcing companies would pay on an avg at 80K per head for the "well qualified" people, I am even ok with their dumping their dumping the L1s here. Why is it that you guys are ok with the L1s being dumped at 40K-60K salaries ? Shouldn't they get paid high too ? This is what I am arguing for. If the outsourcing cos don't want to pay this rate, then keep them in the country of origin. No need to depress wages here. Is this a wrong thing to ask ?
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Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.

As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.

I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.

Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.



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gc28262
06-16 03:15 PM
I guess we should ban people like dilipcr and senthil1 who are here to achieve their selfish ends.

Though we have the capacity to tolerate such self seeking anti-immigrants, it diverts the energy and focus of IV members from the reason for which IV was founded.

dilipcr and senthil1,

We don't appreciate your presence here as your agendas don't fit ours. Please stay away from IV.
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gc_chahiye
06-28 08:21 PM
Read this memo:

http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/6-21-07%20AILA%20memo%20to%20Atyes%20&%20Neufeld.pdf

USCIS has indeed broken the law by doing what it did this month.


It has gone against what they used to do in the past, and they have not published this new policy in a place where stakeholders have a say (or atleast get to know in advance that the policy is changing). Valid complaints. But I dont think AILA is saying they broke the law. And thats scary.
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