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07-03 09:41 PM
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Rejected June filers can not file.
June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
age out situations for children too ....I think that affects lot of people too..I am single and dont have kids :D
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Rejected June filers can not file.
June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
age out situations for children too ....I think that affects lot of people too..I am single and dont have kids :D
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gomirage
06-11 07:24 PM
Congrats, you have arrived. Now, somebody, close the door please !!!
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
indyanguy
07-03 10:43 AM
My case details:
Visa on the passport up until Feb 2009
6 year term ending on Feb 2010
Date on I94 in passport is Feb 2010
I140/I485 concurrently applied on July 07
Currently have EB3 I-140 filed based on Substitute Labor at NSC.
Questions -
1. If my I-140 case gets picked up AFTER Feb 2009 (less than 365 days of H1 6 year term ending) and is denied (God forbid!), will I be eligible to file for a post 6 year H1 extension? Since this is Labor Sub, the labor doesn't have my name on it.
2. Can I file for a new EB2 PERM at that time and get an extension based on that (H1 6 year ending term < 365 days at that time)?
3. As a backup, can I apply for EB2 PERM NOW for a different position from the same company? How will it affect my pending EB3-140?
Thanks in advance
Visa on the passport up until Feb 2009
6 year term ending on Feb 2010
Date on I94 in passport is Feb 2010
I140/I485 concurrently applied on July 07
Currently have EB3 I-140 filed based on Substitute Labor at NSC.
Questions -
1. If my I-140 case gets picked up AFTER Feb 2009 (less than 365 days of H1 6 year term ending) and is denied (God forbid!), will I be eligible to file for a post 6 year H1 extension? Since this is Labor Sub, the labor doesn't have my name on it.
2. Can I file for a new EB2 PERM at that time and get an extension based on that (H1 6 year ending term < 365 days at that time)?
3. As a backup, can I apply for EB2 PERM NOW for a different position from the same company? How will it affect my pending EB3-140?
Thanks in advance
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tikka
07-03 09:35 PM
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=98755#post98755
Immigration Voice encourages all members to help AILF/AILA's potential lawsuit by joining them as plaintiffs and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. We will actively help AILF or other organizations in this lawsuit to force USCIS/DOS to compensate for :
1. Financial and other damages caused due to manipulation of Visa bulletins out of order.
2. Violation of federal regulations and precedents.
A victory in such a potential lawsuit could in effect may either force USCIS to accept the 485 petitions in July and accept the ones it may deny/return in July.
The outcome of lawsuit cannot be guaranteed but USCIS and DOS are certainly facing a tough fight from us as well as from AILA and like minded organizations.
Please contribute funds as Immigration Voice would need funds to finance an expensive lawsuit against USCIS/DOS should it decide to actively participate in a class action lawsuit.
Immigration Voice encourages all members to help AILF/AILA's potential lawsuit by joining them as plaintiffs and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. We will actively help AILF or other organizations in this lawsuit to force USCIS/DOS to compensate for :
1. Financial and other damages caused due to manipulation of Visa bulletins out of order.
2. Violation of federal regulations and precedents.
A victory in such a potential lawsuit could in effect may either force USCIS to accept the 485 petitions in July and accept the ones it may deny/return in July.
The outcome of lawsuit cannot be guaranteed but USCIS and DOS are certainly facing a tough fight from us as well as from AILA and like minded organizations.
Please contribute funds as Immigration Voice would need funds to finance an expensive lawsuit against USCIS/DOS should it decide to actively participate in a class action lawsuit.
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Kodi
05-12 05:07 PM
This is an old artical I was able to dig up. These LTTE members have been living in colombo for 15 years. Its hard for the military to pin point terrorist among so many tamils. That's why they asked them to justify their stay in colombo. Its not a pretty situation, if the military doesn't question then the LTTE would have already taken over the capital.
This is just one incident, so far military have found many times, large number of weapons are explosives from houses in Colombo.
http://www.lankalibrary.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2818
This is just one incident, so far military have found many times, large number of weapons are explosives from houses in Colombo.
http://www.lankalibrary.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2818
samay
07-21 08:28 PM
Dear Attorney,
I am from India and working as a Software Programmer / Analyst in a decent company and I am using AC21 with this company...and my Green Card journey started September 2002.
Labor applied (EB3) - September 2002
Labor approved - July 2003
I-140 / I-485 applied - December 2003
I_140 approved - August 2004 after responding to an RFE
Two times finger prints done and name check is done.
RFE about sons birth certificate -- responded last year.
But still the way things are going with Visa numbers and seems no light at the end of the tunnel. I am decided to change EB3 to EB2.
What would you suggest?
Where can I find the process for this switch (EB3 to EB2) ??
Is there any benefit switching from AOS to Consular Process?
Thanks and appreciate your response.
The process of switching from EB3 to EB2 also takes some time and expense. Please do consult your attorney and weigh in all pros and cons very carefully. In case you require assistance please contact me.
I am from India and working as a Software Programmer / Analyst in a decent company and I am using AC21 with this company...and my Green Card journey started September 2002.
Labor applied (EB3) - September 2002
Labor approved - July 2003
I-140 / I-485 applied - December 2003
I_140 approved - August 2004 after responding to an RFE
Two times finger prints done and name check is done.
RFE about sons birth certificate -- responded last year.
But still the way things are going with Visa numbers and seems no light at the end of the tunnel. I am decided to change EB3 to EB2.
What would you suggest?
Where can I find the process for this switch (EB3 to EB2) ??
Is there any benefit switching from AOS to Consular Process?
Thanks and appreciate your response.
The process of switching from EB3 to EB2 also takes some time and expense. Please do consult your attorney and weigh in all pros and cons very carefully. In case you require assistance please contact me.
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vivid_bharti
09-03 03:15 PM
It really does not matter if you are a doctor or a compounder... Running a state or a country is a different thing altogether, you need different skills and this man had that. He was a self made man risen from the soil. But on the bad side he was the king of the corrupts. Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
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arnab221
06-11 04:13 AM
At least Mr Oppenheimer has told the truth that it is curtains for EB2 and EB3 India and China and brought all the hopefuls to the ground . Passing CIR is a distant dream.
Thank you Mr Oppenheimer ! At least you had the guys to spell out the bitter truth , so that we could plan accordingly and plan our return .
Thank you Mr Oppenheimer ! At least you had the guys to spell out the bitter truth , so that we could plan accordingly and plan our return .
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syzygy
07-12 04:57 PM
And also add the amount we are paying on regular basis to law firms to talking to their para legals, mental stress and percentage what contracting companies with hold along with amount we are losing because we are not in stable situation to invest in things like real estate.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 06:10 PM
Since you dont have your GC details filled in your profile, I would assume your interest in this website is not related to immigration.
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If what I think you are is what you are, then its people like you who are responsible for the rise of these kind of politicians.
gimme_GC2006,
My interest leads me into this forum and my immigration is directly related to my country India.
Do you agree that YSR was a gunda, a land grabber, political killer who amassed huge amounts of illegal wealth and land, never ever seen in the history of AP? You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.
If not give me reasons to say why he is not so. I never said in my posts that I am for TDP. This has become very famous excuse to put up saying that the other person/party is also involved in corruption.
I am for corruption free India where politicians do not get involved in radical politics.
I am providing you with numerous links to prove my point.
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If what I think you are is what you are, then its people like you who are responsible for the rise of these kind of politicians.
gimme_GC2006,
My interest leads me into this forum and my immigration is directly related to my country India.
Do you agree that YSR was a gunda, a land grabber, political killer who amassed huge amounts of illegal wealth and land, never ever seen in the history of AP? You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.
If not give me reasons to say why he is not so. I never said in my posts that I am for TDP. This has become very famous excuse to put up saying that the other person/party is also involved in corruption.
I am for corruption free India where politicians do not get involved in radical politics.
I am providing you with numerous links to prove my point.
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Lasantha
02-12 02:08 PM
Yeah, Tell me about it!!!
Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!
correction: EB3 ROW = 01JAN05 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!
Just 1.25 more year and I would have been current! Damn!!!!
Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!
correction: EB3 ROW = 01JAN05 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!
Just 1.25 more year and I would have been current! Damn!!!!
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waitingnwaiting
01-05 05:16 PM
Moderators , Pls delete this thread. Why is the thread posted on a immigration forum. :mad:
Are you one of the the guys selling it? No harm listening to both sides of the argument.
Are you one of the the guys selling it? No harm listening to both sides of the argument.
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logiclife
02-12 09:04 PM
Per country limit applies to every country in exactly the same way. It doesn't discriminate between Chad or China. So, how is it discrimination? And think about it- in Olympics soccer/basketball every country can send only one team. Should China and India be allowed to send more teams since they have a larger population? We should try to increase the number of GCs.
That is an apples to dinosaur analogy.
The per-country ceiling was originally created in order to establish and maintain proportionality in various immigrants coming from different countries in FAMILY BASED IMMIGRATION.
Family based immigration is driven by family relationship. Its not driven by talent or economic contribution. Therefore its important to make sure that no country completely dominates the family based immigration system by getting a head start. If one country is ahead initially in sending immigrants (like the Irish in the 1920s and Italians in 1930s), then that country's immigrants would sponsor their family and that new family would in turn sponsor their relatives and so on. Whichever country has an advantage in the begining would keep building on that advantage and eat up the entire family based quota. That's why when they wrote the INA in 1965 by codifying a bunch of loose federal regulations that governed immigration, they inserted the per-country ceiling. And that makes sense even today in Family based immigration.
Every country in the world has unlimited potential to send family members and relatives to America. But every country in the world does not have unlimited potential to send Ph.Ds and skilled labor. That ability is disproportionately huge with India, China, Mexico and Phillipines.
The per-country ceilings got INHERITED into employment based system because our legislators were too lazy to spot the difference in two systems. One system gives you a green card because you are related to someone. Other system gives you a green card because you have skills that are wanted by an employer here.
Benefits driven by family relationship should be rationed and given out propotionally because an Irish family, Italian family and a Chinese family all love their families equally and the value of family re-unification is the same. You cant say that the Irish love their sibilings more than the Chinese or Indians do. HENCE THE COUNTRY LIMITS IN FAMILY BASED SYSTEM.
But in employment based system, what the system is doing is that an Irish guy, (or any ROW guy) with Bachelor's degree in EB3 is getting green card sooner than an Indian guy or Chinese guy with masters degree in EB2. THAT IS DISCRIMINATION. Yes, that is discrimination not matter how you slice it and dice it with your olympic analogies.
That is an apples to dinosaur analogy.
The per-country ceiling was originally created in order to establish and maintain proportionality in various immigrants coming from different countries in FAMILY BASED IMMIGRATION.
Family based immigration is driven by family relationship. Its not driven by talent or economic contribution. Therefore its important to make sure that no country completely dominates the family based immigration system by getting a head start. If one country is ahead initially in sending immigrants (like the Irish in the 1920s and Italians in 1930s), then that country's immigrants would sponsor their family and that new family would in turn sponsor their relatives and so on. Whichever country has an advantage in the begining would keep building on that advantage and eat up the entire family based quota. That's why when they wrote the INA in 1965 by codifying a bunch of loose federal regulations that governed immigration, they inserted the per-country ceiling. And that makes sense even today in Family based immigration.
Every country in the world has unlimited potential to send family members and relatives to America. But every country in the world does not have unlimited potential to send Ph.Ds and skilled labor. That ability is disproportionately huge with India, China, Mexico and Phillipines.
The per-country ceilings got INHERITED into employment based system because our legislators were too lazy to spot the difference in two systems. One system gives you a green card because you are related to someone. Other system gives you a green card because you have skills that are wanted by an employer here.
Benefits driven by family relationship should be rationed and given out propotionally because an Irish family, Italian family and a Chinese family all love their families equally and the value of family re-unification is the same. You cant say that the Irish love their sibilings more than the Chinese or Indians do. HENCE THE COUNTRY LIMITS IN FAMILY BASED SYSTEM.
But in employment based system, what the system is doing is that an Irish guy, (or any ROW guy) with Bachelor's degree in EB3 is getting green card sooner than an Indian guy or Chinese guy with masters degree in EB2. THAT IS DISCRIMINATION. Yes, that is discrimination not matter how you slice it and dice it with your olympic analogies.
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sk2006
03-31 10:11 PM
Why don't you guys go to some 'INDIAN_POLITICAL_VOICE.ORG' forum?
This is immigration form and people from all over the world are the members.
Don't spam them.
Moderators, please delete this thread.
This is immigration form and people from all over the world are the members.
Don't spam them.
Moderators, please delete this thread.
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Ramba
12-14 12:19 AM
One cannot challange the content of the INA. Immigration is a privilage not a right. US citizens/lawmakers decides who they or how many they want to allow per year through INA. One can not challange this. For example, before 1960, US allowed only europians not asians. Though, US immigration has a history of 200 years, Indians were not allowed before 1960 in EB catagories. One could not challange then. Tommorow if they amend the INA, by saying no asians allowed in EB catagories, one cannot challange that.
One can challage only if any branch of government violates the law. One can not challange why the law do not have some other provision or why it has only 7%?. It was determiend by congress and signed by president. For example, in H1B, they have special quota for Singapore/Australian nationals. One can not question that. Now, Newzland citizes can not ask/sue, why australians and why not newzlanders in special quota? The same situation in GC system.
There is no ethics/rights in immigration. For example, a janitor/unskilled worker can become citizen after 3 years of LPR(GC) status if his/her spouse is a US citizen and he/she got the GC thro US spouse FB sponsership. At the same time, if a nobel prize winner got GC through EB1 catagory, he/she has to wait 5 years to become citizen after LPR status. This is what the law says. So, this nobel prize winner can not sue the government why the INA is not favorable to him.
One can challage only if any branch of government violates the law. One can not challange why the law do not have some other provision or why it has only 7%?. It was determiend by congress and signed by president. For example, in H1B, they have special quota for Singapore/Australian nationals. One can not question that. Now, Newzland citizes can not ask/sue, why australians and why not newzlanders in special quota? The same situation in GC system.
There is no ethics/rights in immigration. For example, a janitor/unskilled worker can become citizen after 3 years of LPR(GC) status if his/her spouse is a US citizen and he/she got the GC thro US spouse FB sponsership. At the same time, if a nobel prize winner got GC through EB1 catagory, he/she has to wait 5 years to become citizen after LPR status. This is what the law says. So, this nobel prize winner can not sue the government why the INA is not favorable to him.
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ItIsNotFunny
11-06 03:17 PM
Time to push it.. 200K will buy houses is quite believable given the points that we have monies to do it, and given the market. We need a campaign. Also once the new President wins, never forget to congratulate him and at the same time request help.
Lets do this. Contgratulate Obama with proposal of GC for House scheme (need better words though :)).
Lets do this. Contgratulate Obama with proposal of GC for House scheme (need better words though :)).
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unitednations
02-14 11:49 AM
Is there any proof that there are even are unused visas? I find this topic a rather moot point.
With India, China, The Philipinnes and Mexico all being oversubscribed, they appear to be reaching their 7% limit. With all the countries in ROW I doubt if any one country is even vaguelly reaching their 7% limit.
With the obvious retrogression across the board, it just tells me that there isn't anything spare to share around in whatever direction.
Am I just totally missing the point?!
It is an important topic.
Reason is:
2005 and prior; certain countries went over their limit. If they hadn't gone over their limit then EB3 would not have gone unavailable. If EB3 would not have gone unavailable then EB3 ROW would have much more advanced dates. Countries cannot go over their 7% limit now until ROW eb3 essentially gets current. If they had done it in the past then maybe eb3 row would be current and the other countries can go over their 7% limit and their dates would also have advanced. Due to what happened in 2005 the dates are further back for everyone then they should have been.
How it is working and how it is supposed to work is important in people making their decisions; ie., should i file in eb2 or eb3?
What is impact by eliminating the 7% limit
What would happen if there is 485 filing without priority date being current and there is a hard cap of 7%. There would never, ever be unused visas for china, india. They would have never ending retrogression.
For people who constantly watch visa bulletin; the dates won't move forward until fourth quarter when eb1 and eb2 visas get spilled over.; so no sense in waiting for it so eagerly.
With India, China, The Philipinnes and Mexico all being oversubscribed, they appear to be reaching their 7% limit. With all the countries in ROW I doubt if any one country is even vaguelly reaching their 7% limit.
With the obvious retrogression across the board, it just tells me that there isn't anything spare to share around in whatever direction.
Am I just totally missing the point?!
It is an important topic.
Reason is:
2005 and prior; certain countries went over their limit. If they hadn't gone over their limit then EB3 would not have gone unavailable. If EB3 would not have gone unavailable then EB3 ROW would have much more advanced dates. Countries cannot go over their 7% limit now until ROW eb3 essentially gets current. If they had done it in the past then maybe eb3 row would be current and the other countries can go over their 7% limit and their dates would also have advanced. Due to what happened in 2005 the dates are further back for everyone then they should have been.
How it is working and how it is supposed to work is important in people making their decisions; ie., should i file in eb2 or eb3?
What is impact by eliminating the 7% limit
What would happen if there is 485 filing without priority date being current and there is a hard cap of 7%. There would never, ever be unused visas for china, india. They would have never ending retrogression.
For people who constantly watch visa bulletin; the dates won't move forward until fourth quarter when eb1 and eb2 visas get spilled over.; so no sense in waiting for it so eagerly.
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OLDMONK
07-24 04:29 PM
Its not the question of economy alone. When deciding to go back. Its a question about convenience.
a) I don't want to stand in line to pay my Electric/Telephone/House Tax/Income Tax/Train Ticket/Air Ticket/Bus Ticket/Children Admission-donations/Petrol Line/LP Gas Line/Restaurant Line/Chola Bhatura Line/Samosa Line/RTO Office line/Registration line/License Line/Stock Buy line/Stock Sell Line/Bank Deposit Line/Bank Draft Line/Fixed Deposit Line/Kisaan Vikas Patra Line/Registered/Speed post Line/Blue Dart Line/Company registration line/College admission line/College fee line/University degree line/Interview Line/Booking a Car line/Beer Whisky Line/Canteen Line.
Half the country stands in line, the other half manages the line. Neither has any civic sense.
b) I don't want to bribe babus who manage above lines to get ahead in line.
d) I don't want power failures/cooler failures/ac failures/broken roads/or other catastrophic system failures.
e) I dont want fake or mixed eating oil / flour / milk / cheese / butter / peppers / lentils / rice
f) I don't want dangerous chemical fertilizers in my produce (slow killers - massive kidney failure rate in India for past 10 years)
g) I don't want to teach my children dishonesty and tricks of survival/street smartness (in ref to corruption in India) which don't add any value to their personality.
h) The only reason I would wanna go back is for my immediate family and friends. Thats the only thing I miss when it comes to India.
I wouldn't go back and I believe even MK Gandhi himself would'nt leave from Africa for India in todays times.
Also Its the enemy within (corruption) which can cause great harm and we have that kind of enemy now. You can never ever change the attitudes which people carry in India without another revolution.
I am sure I can come up with a huge list of positives too, They will sound very good and will give me a great feeling of fake National Pride.
Now go ahead and kill me for saying all the above.!!
a) I don't want to stand in line to pay my Electric/Telephone/House Tax/Income Tax/Train Ticket/Air Ticket/Bus Ticket/Children Admission-donations/Petrol Line/LP Gas Line/Restaurant Line/Chola Bhatura Line/Samosa Line/RTO Office line/Registration line/License Line/Stock Buy line/Stock Sell Line/Bank Deposit Line/Bank Draft Line/Fixed Deposit Line/Kisaan Vikas Patra Line/Registered/Speed post Line/Blue Dart Line/Company registration line/College admission line/College fee line/University degree line/Interview Line/Booking a Car line/Beer Whisky Line/Canteen Line.
Half the country stands in line, the other half manages the line. Neither has any civic sense.
b) I don't want to bribe babus who manage above lines to get ahead in line.
d) I don't want power failures/cooler failures/ac failures/broken roads/or other catastrophic system failures.
e) I dont want fake or mixed eating oil / flour / milk / cheese / butter / peppers / lentils / rice
f) I don't want dangerous chemical fertilizers in my produce (slow killers - massive kidney failure rate in India for past 10 years)
g) I don't want to teach my children dishonesty and tricks of survival/street smartness (in ref to corruption in India) which don't add any value to their personality.
h) The only reason I would wanna go back is for my immediate family and friends. Thats the only thing I miss when it comes to India.
I wouldn't go back and I believe even MK Gandhi himself would'nt leave from Africa for India in todays times.
Also Its the enemy within (corruption) which can cause great harm and we have that kind of enemy now. You can never ever change the attitudes which people carry in India without another revolution.
I am sure I can come up with a huge list of positives too, They will sound very good and will give me a great feeling of fake National Pride.
Now go ahead and kill me for saying all the above.!!
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Jerrome
05-12 03:56 PM
Tamils live the same life as Sinhala and Muslims, if you're visited sri lanka you would see that. Schools are open to everyone within their respective distances, tamils conduct business same as muslims and sinhala. What you're discussing is something that happened when the country was given independance and the sinhala policy came into act. This is not the case anymore in sri lanka, if it was all the tamils in the country would have moved to the north where their so called saviors were fighting.
Oops i may be living in a parallel world. I failed to see the people in yalpanam and triconmole living peacefully with equal rights.
FYI i have been to SL twice(2003 & 2005) to colombo and yalpanam(Pls don't comeback at me calling me as LTTE).
Have you ever been to yalpanam and triconmole while you were in SL.
Oops i may be living in a parallel world. I failed to see the people in yalpanam and triconmole living peacefully with equal rights.
FYI i have been to SL twice(2003 & 2005) to colombo and yalpanam(Pls don't comeback at me calling me as LTTE).
Have you ever been to yalpanam and triconmole while you were in SL.
nashim
10-12 05:32 PM
I don�t have money to buy a house now but I think the idea is really great because waiting line will be shorter for the person who can�t buy a house now like me, if people get GC based on this proposal.
PlainSpeak
01-13 03:32 PM
You've got to be high or sick or both - go see a doctor. Right now you're just throwing trash around.
great so you're trying to incite arguments between members and calling people names. you just proved my point. well don't waste time making empty threats or inciting people on forums.
You can take your trash somewhere else.
If you had any ideas you should have talked to your IV state rep in the last 4 years, it doesn't matter what you post.
Ahhh Tony my friend. You have been a sight for sore eyes. You know how they say a known devil is better than an unknown devil. Lets just say i know where you stand. I do not agree with you but i respect you motivation and i will support your right to express it with my life, but my friend .....
What is this.. This is not how a person should talk. I will not protect or propaget this abuses :P with my little pinkie finger
You've got to be high or sick or both - go see a doctor. Right now you're just throwing trash around.
You know what i am not sick but i really need a cig right now. Jokes aside High or sick hmmmmmmm see a doctor WTF ??. What is with this young people in this worl world. Throwing trash around. woooooooooooooooo
Ok i I rest my case. Nothing good will come out of here
great so you're trying to incite arguments between members and calling people names. you just proved my point. well don't waste time making empty threats or inciting people on forums.
You can take your trash somewhere else.
I am Calling whome what ????? Empty threats ???? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa What threats are you talking about? Inciting people on the forum. You #@$@#$# (God i try but some people are so out of control u know - That was me talking to myself stopping mysefl from using strong words)
ok sorry abt that. Mr Tony Sirji kindly go and read my commnets to NUKE (A nice guy). It would be the second last comments on this post. After that if you think i am still inciting people you and i have no common ground to talk about anything (Sad i know. I woudl rather be friendly with everyone then fight with someone)
If you had any ideas you should have talked to your IV state rep in the last 4 years, it doesn't matter what you post.
Well if i had some ideas in the last 4 years i assure you i would have. Sorry to dissapoint you but i am not a genius. Hmmm wish i was the i would invent something.
Anyway to get back to the point NO you are wrong about the statement it doesn't matter what you post.Everyone and every idea matters to IV. If not IV would not be what it is now. Albeit i admit my idea may not work(Most probabaly will not) but hey i did come up with one you never know what things will shake up because of some small idea or something some one said (Remember that it works both ways so if you say something stupid it will also reflect on you (Like it is now) and on the organization you represent)
great so you're trying to incite arguments between members and calling people names. you just proved my point. well don't waste time making empty threats or inciting people on forums.
You can take your trash somewhere else.
If you had any ideas you should have talked to your IV state rep in the last 4 years, it doesn't matter what you post.
Ahhh Tony my friend. You have been a sight for sore eyes. You know how they say a known devil is better than an unknown devil. Lets just say i know where you stand. I do not agree with you but i respect you motivation and i will support your right to express it with my life, but my friend .....
What is this.. This is not how a person should talk. I will not protect or propaget this abuses :P with my little pinkie finger
You've got to be high or sick or both - go see a doctor. Right now you're just throwing trash around.
You know what i am not sick but i really need a cig right now. Jokes aside High or sick hmmmmmmm see a doctor WTF ??. What is with this young people in this worl world. Throwing trash around. woooooooooooooooo
Ok i I rest my case. Nothing good will come out of here
great so you're trying to incite arguments between members and calling people names. you just proved my point. well don't waste time making empty threats or inciting people on forums.
You can take your trash somewhere else.
I am Calling whome what ????? Empty threats ???? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa What threats are you talking about? Inciting people on the forum. You #@$@#$# (God i try but some people are so out of control u know - That was me talking to myself stopping mysefl from using strong words)
ok sorry abt that. Mr Tony Sirji kindly go and read my commnets to NUKE (A nice guy). It would be the second last comments on this post. After that if you think i am still inciting people you and i have no common ground to talk about anything (Sad i know. I woudl rather be friendly with everyone then fight with someone)
If you had any ideas you should have talked to your IV state rep in the last 4 years, it doesn't matter what you post.
Well if i had some ideas in the last 4 years i assure you i would have. Sorry to dissapoint you but i am not a genius. Hmmm wish i was the i would invent something.
Anyway to get back to the point NO you are wrong about the statement it doesn't matter what you post.Everyone and every idea matters to IV. If not IV would not be what it is now. Albeit i admit my idea may not work(Most probabaly will not) but hey i did come up with one you never know what things will shake up because of some small idea or something some one said (Remember that it works both ways so if you say something stupid it will also reflect on you (Like it is now) and on the organization you represent)
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